tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25190947.post8257130411698335700..comments2023-10-28T03:26:35.948-05:00Comments on Catholic in the Third Millennium: The Anglican Practice of Open Communion: A "Barthian" TakeDan Dunlaphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15610718122774026303noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25190947.post-8986093627735986372007-01-15T15:13:00.000-06:002007-01-15T15:13:00.000-06:00"I would argue the opposite. The Open Table places..."I would argue the opposite. The Open Table places ecclesiology in the primary category. After all, it is an article of the Creed: We confess the Church to be one, holy, catholic, and apostolic. The open Table is the highest ideal of this. For that brief moment of "Kingdom time," our divisions (typically based on tertiary issues) are suspended, and we live into the real."<br /><br />"One" in what way? If you offer with the vague "in Christ", it is earily similar to "invisible Church". Schism has consequences. Your offer of an open table to RC's and EO's is actually an open invitation to undermine the episcopal authority of RC and EO Bishops that would be less-than-overjoyed to see you communing those in their charge.<br /><br />Rome, Byzantines, and Anglicans don't even have agreement on what they're recieving. For Rome it's transsubstantiation; for the East it's "God in His energies" (something Rome isn't very excited about); and for Anglicans it is varied from near transsubstantiation all the way down to darn near bare signs (I'd bet there is at least some 'sign and seal' Calvinists amongst the Anglicans). To just brush all that aside becomes tantamount to relativism. It is chaos.<br /><br />"My mention of "orders" was an allusion to the validity question inflamed by Leo XIII's unhelpful and infamous bull."<br /><br />IF Pope Leo was correct then all you're offering is refreshments. Is Pope Leo's bull still in force or binding to the RCC today? I don't think the EO has a position that I can find. Is it feasable that Pope Leo was correct, since the earlier Anglican Bishops did depart from established principles in performing consecrations?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25190947.post-45697946245015055812007-01-15T13:32:00.000-06:002007-01-15T13:32:00.000-06:00Actually, I was this >Actually, I was this >< close to joining an Eastern Catholic Church back around 1996. It didn't happen for a number of reasons, which I won't belabor you with.Dan Dunlaphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15610718122774026303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25190947.post-8385641872488973162007-01-15T10:09:00.000-06:002007-01-15T10:09:00.000-06:00So why not become Maronite or Milkite or some othe...So why not become Maronite or Milkite or some other version of the Eastern Roman Catholic?Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11556877432847498779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25190947.post-1263202967651537982007-01-13T14:46:00.000-06:002007-01-13T14:46:00.000-06:00That's a great observation, Mark. This idea is no...That's a great observation, Mark. This idea is not totally foreign to Roman ecclesiology. Personally, I feel more at home in Roman ecclesiology than in Eastern. In other respects, however, I am more Eastern in my theology.Dan Dunlaphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15610718122774026303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25190947.post-85147184825915087562007-01-13T11:39:00.000-06:002007-01-13T11:39:00.000-06:00I would argue the opposite. The Open Table places...I would argue the opposite. The Open Table places ecclesiology in the primary category. After all, it is an article of the Creed: We confess the Church to be one, holy, catholic, and apostolic. The open Table is the highest ideal of this. For that brief moment of "Kingdom time," our divisions (typically based on tertiary issues) are suspended, and we live into the real.<br /><br />My mention of "orders" was an allusion to the validity question inflamed by Leo XIII's unhelpful and infamous bull.<br /><br />JBRIM: I'm not sure what you're getting out, unless you read me as suspending all ethical and doctrinal concerns, which I assure you was not my intent.Dan Dunlaphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15610718122774026303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25190947.post-17127752209147879062007-01-12T23:45:00.000-06:002007-01-12T23:45:00.000-06:00"For, despite our tenacity to live into the unreal..."For, despite our tenacity to live into the unreal (with respect to such things as "orders" and tertiary differences in doctrine)"<br /><br />It seems that by advocating an open Table, ecclesiology is placed in the tertiary category.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com